Unlock the power of research with Shrey and Rahul at Cal State Uni. Discover how curiosity drives innovation as these students share their exciting breakthroughs and lessons learned.
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Shrey Modi, Software Engineer Intern, Teladoc Health
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Rahul Vishwakarma, Blue Ridge Labs, Robin Hood
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Are you from India? Wishing to come to the USA for your studies? Is your dream university - California State University? If yes, grab a pen, paper, and water, and you are all good to know everything. From researching the dream university to getting selected and beating the elephant in the room (i.e. the VISA process) to settling up - you need to know EVERYTHING because, at the end of the day, it is a foreign land with a lot of newness, loneliness, and self-dependency.
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Research is the Key - Shrey Modi and Rahul Vishwakarma's Innovation Journey at California State University | Off the Record with Saman — Student Abroad Podcast
18:08:03 Hi, everyone! This is Saman Fatima, and we're back with another episode on off the record with me, someone on its magazine.
18:08:12 And with another day we have.
18:08:14 Another guest, and this time we have 2 of them from the same college, and they would be walking you through with 2 different experiences.
18:08:22 And a lot of other things would come down. We'll unfold a lot of things that they have researched about. They are doing right now, and how you can be part of it.
18:08:32 So I really welcome Rahul and Shrey for being part of this episode of the podcast and we'd be talking more about California, State, University. So welcome both of you, and thank you for being part of the Podcast.
18:08:46 Thank you so much.
18:08:48 Thank you for inviting us.
18:08:50 Yeah.
18:08:51 So you know, with the start of the podcast. I really wanted you people to introduce yourself in your own ways.
18:08:59 Where are you from? Where are you right now? When did you join the college? What year and.
18:09:04 All of those things so.
18:09:06 I'll go with the alphabetical order, and, Robert, let me go first.st
18:09:11 Okay, yeah, thank you so much.
18:09:13 So, to begin with.
18:09:16 I moved to. I moved to us.
18:09:19 Back, in, like.
18:09:21 2022 from India.
18:09:23 And.
18:09:25 It was quite a.
18:09:28 Difficult choice to move here after so much of work, experience.
18:09:32 And here I joined computer science at California State University, Long Beach.
18:09:38 And currently, I'm working on a startup which is in a stealth mode.
18:09:44 Oh, that's great! And I also moved in the fall of 2022. So that's the common point between the 2 of us.
18:09:52 That's great straight over to.
18:09:55 Yes.
18:09:55 So
18:09:57 I moved.
18:09:57 Just after you guys. So spring of 2,023.
18:10:02 I'm currently based in Long Beach, California, and.
18:10:06 I'm I'm working. I'm graduating this semester. So yeah, we're still that.
18:10:12 That must be an exciting part, like I was really excited when I was graduating like.
18:10:17 I'm done with it now.
18:10:20 Going ahead. So you know, congratulations to both of you.
18:10:24 And you know, what motivated for the 2 of you to actually choose this college. I know there would be a bunch of colleges that who people would have applied for, like all of us, do it.
18:10:36 But how come you people stuck with Cal state? We know Cal state is famous for Zillion things, but what stood out for you for the courses you chose for.
18:10:46 So shape.
18:10:48 We'll start with you.
18:10:49 So 1st of all, I really like the location, which is California who doesn't like California. So that was.
18:10:54 One of the primary reasons.
18:10:56 The second reason coming to cal state is.
18:11:00 It has a lot of diverse people here, so I wanted to enjoy.
18:11:06 The Us. College Light.
18:11:08 And that was one major reasons that I came to the Us. To.
18:11:13 Enjoy, and also to learn a lot of things.
18:11:15 And finally, to get some expertise.
18:11:20 In my field, which is machine learning and artificial intelligence. So Csl, B. Has a great curriculum in that.
18:11:26 Region, and a lot of brilliant professors are here.
18:11:29 And that was my last point to come to the Us.
18:11:34 That's great and.
18:11:35 I always say this during my podcast. When I asked this question, you know I've never seen one like there is no commonality between all of the guests that I've had. Everyone has their own reasons, and this stands out, you know I want to enjoy. Have that Us. Life and stuff like that.
18:11:53 So that's great.
18:11:55 What about you, Rami?
18:11:58 For me. The one reason was Beaches.
18:12:01 At.
18:12:01 Yeah. And for me, pursuing masters here was like a self funded vacation. Instead of taking a gap. I thought of it like a vacation.
18:12:10 So that was one of the reason.
18:12:13 That's nice. Okay, that's a lot of beach Us fund and everything.
18:12:20 Yeah.
18:12:20 So.
18:12:21 Coming out of the series notes. So when we talk about the degree that you chose, you know, say, you went with the aim and probably went ahead with the Cs.
18:12:30 So what were the key factors in terms of the degree? Obviously we know why the place and why the college but.
18:12:39 What would the reasons behind you people choosing this particular degree? So.
18:12:44 We're gonna go with share with you again. First.st
18:12:46 Sure.
18:12:47 So my major is Cs 2 right now.
18:12:51 But I am like my focus is in aim.
18:12:55 And not right now it's more of Ml. With airlines.
18:12:59 The
18:13:01 The reason for me to.
18:13:03 Choose.
18:13:06 I think. Can you repeat the question?
18:13:10 No worries. So it's more of like, what were the key factors for you? Particular course?
18:13:18 For the Cs degree that you chose for, but the key factors for you to choose it.
18:13:22 Okay.
18:13:30 So yeah, my major is Cs, and my main focus is in Ai/ml.
18:13:35 The reasons that I wanted to choose this course. I have a bachelors in information technology.
18:13:40 And I have previously worked with a lot of these papers are in artificial intelligence and machine learning.
18:13:47 So Cs makes it a really good course to.
18:13:50 Build, my masters.
18:13:52 And after that also, one more thing that I like is, it gives me.
18:13:58 Flexibility to move on with different things. So if I want to do software engineering, I can easily do that.
18:14:04 And Cs offers that.
18:14:06 Broad scope of choosing anything and everything.
18:14:08 That was the.
18:14:11 Okay, what about you? Raul?
18:14:13 Okay. So for me, the prime reason that.
18:14:18 Although my bachelors was in computer science.
18:14:20 And with respect to that, I worked.
18:14:24 Mostly in the prime sector, which is aligned to computer science, which was in data storage. And then after AI and applied AI, okay. So although I was working in industry, so during the time.
18:14:37 When you work in the industry you don't really get.
18:14:39 That much of time.
18:14:41 Like your own personal time.
18:14:43 To focus on the research work.
18:14:46 So.
18:14:47 This is what I was just thinking of taking a taking like 2 year off and doing research work.
18:14:54 Focused on the.
18:14:56 Data storage and security.
18:14:59 And while looking over these 2 area.
18:15:03 For masters.
18:15:04 I mean, although I applied to most of the other university from where I had offered.
18:15:08 But the prime reason of coming here was that I.
18:15:13 I was looking over the website and reached out a few of the professor who were working in hardware security.
18:15:18 And I thought, like, okay, I have already done few of the other domains.
18:15:24 Why not explore the hardware security? So that was one of the reason.
18:15:28 I choose.
18:15:30 Cal State, Long Beach for the masters in computer science.
18:15:34 And.
18:15:36 When I started working on hardware security, it was just a beginning. And you know, like, when you start working, multiple options come to you.
18:15:44 So then we move to cyber security. And after that I'm actively working.
18:15:51 On some of the Llm. Related security with.
18:15:55 List area a, RIE, so that's the very recent one.
18:16:00 Where they are trying to evaluate the security. With respect to the.
18:16:04 Jenny, I.
18:16:07 Okay, that seems a lot. That's already. You know, we're working on a lot of things that's coming into the market. And that's really nice.
18:16:15 And I guess you touched upon one thing at the end, like being part of Cal State Long Beach, so that was supposed to be my next ask from the T. 2 of you, because we know that Cal State is situated at different, you know, locations.
18:16:29 I know that I've applied once to Long Beach and Dominic Hills, both.
18:16:34 But I.
18:16:35 But I was accepted for Dominic Hills, and not the Long Beach one, so I wanted to understand, like what stood out for the 2 of you to choose.
18:16:45 Cal State Long Beach over any other location, so that people know here about what that particular location offers about.
18:16:54 So if you can go for it.
18:16:56 Okay. So when I was looking over, like most of the other Cal States.
18:17:02 To be very specific Cal State was providing.
18:17:08 Most of the most of the.
18:17:10 You know, support with respect to the research activities.
18:17:14 The reach out of the professors.
18:17:16 And how friendly they are.
18:17:18 So.
18:17:19 So that was one of the reason.
18:17:22 Okay. And what about you? Shane?
18:17:25 Right. So I got into multiple Csu's.
18:17:29 Being Sju and Fresno and Bulletin.
18:17:33 But the main reason for choosing Long Beach was. It has a very wide campus, and.
18:17:39 I really like an open campus. The weather is really good, and it's just 2 mice from the beach.
18:17:44 So that's 1 of the reasons for.
18:17:47 Choosing Long Beach and.
18:17:49 Also a lot of research activities goes on. And I really like the Entrepreneurship Club, which is called, IE.
18:17:56 And I was really looking for it because.
18:17:58 I had a start up in India, and I was looking. If.
18:18:02 Any of the Csu's had a great initiative for.
18:18:07 Entrepreneurship. So I think.
18:18:08 Long Beach stood up in that.
18:18:12 That's great, and I guess the intricate reasons to be the same. That. It's, you know, couple of miles away from the beach. That's great, that that's keeps you going because.
18:18:22 Considering you are talking about a lot of terminologies like Llms research, and a lot of other things that really need somewhere to relax around as well. Do you know, have that fun.
18:18:36 When we talk about like things like the finances. We know that you are situated on the West Coast side, where things are pretty hefty as compared to other regions, so.
18:18:47 Could you people talk about like the finances? On a level where people could understand how much could go out of pockets, and how much.
18:18:58 The college provides in terms of stipend or scholarship, or anything else.
18:19:04 If you could walk us through, each one of you would have their own experiences. So if you can talk about your finances.
18:19:12 Okay.
18:19:13 So.
18:19:15 Usually, if you see a Cal state.
18:19:17 They have, like a less tuition fee as compared to Ucs.
18:19:22 So.
18:19:24 When it comes to finances. Usually the.
18:19:27 The the tuition fee for the 2 year it will be around 35 to 45.
18:19:33 $1,000.
18:19:34 Okay.
18:19:36 So that remains only the tuition fee.
18:19:39 Okay.
18:19:40 I mean, along with some of the some of the few other things. Okay.
18:19:44 Now, when it comes to the Scholarship, I think, like the best bet will be the university website where they mention which all scholarships are available.
18:19:54 But I'm not very sure for the international students there will be much of the scholarship.
18:20:01 But a majority of them, I will not say scholarship, but as a stipend which will help you support.
18:20:06 With respect to your monthly cost of living. For example, like.
18:20:12 Food and accommodation.
18:20:13 So.
18:20:14 Usually, if you get a position of teaching assistant or research assistant, and if you get 20.
18:20:21 20.
18:20:22 Per week.
18:20:23 So.
18:20:24 You will be able to get around $1,400.
18:20:28 To some of the other teaching assistant, where the pay.
18:20:32 R. Is more. You can get even like 2,000 per month.
18:20:37 Which is quite good.
18:20:38 As a international student.
18:20:40 To do.
18:20:41 Like on campus work.
18:20:43 And still support you.
18:20:45 But still you have to pay the tuition fee.
18:20:48 Okay, so just a quick question there. So.
18:20:53 Did you apply for any sort of stipend as part of the application process?
18:20:59 Or was it given as part of the department that you're joining.
18:21:04 Okay, so specific to me.
18:21:06 I was not provided any financial assistance.
18:21:09 But after coming here.
18:21:12 I started reaching out to professors.
18:21:14 For.
18:21:16 The research assistant, and after like interview with couple of them.
18:21:21 I just landed up one research position.
18:21:25 Okay. Alright. So your situation is totally once you landed here and started with the semester. That's when you got hold of that position, but not anything as part of the application process.
18:21:38 Correct.
18:21:39 Okay.
18:21:40 What about you?
18:21:43 Yes! As Raul mentioned most of the things that usually from 30,000 to $40,000.
18:21:49 And.
18:21:51 For the scholarships. It totally depends on the University's website and what the University provides.
18:21:57 But, as Raul mentioned, it's there's not much for the international students here as because the fees is really low.
18:22:03 I think it's 1 of the lowest in the Us.
18:22:06 Being in California. It's really low.
18:22:09 If you.
18:22:11 So that's 1 of the thing. And coming to the living expenses, it ranges around.
18:22:17 It depends if you're taking a sharing. So it ranges about 6 to $700 a month.
18:22:23 The capabilities and.
18:22:24 After that full and accommodation goes.
18:22:26 Sorry 4 goes to about.
18:22:28 $1,000. So total is $1,000.
18:22:31 For a living expenses.
18:22:33 And for my situation. I didn't have a job when I landed here.
18:22:39 And same as Rahul. I applied for different positions. I interviewed professors and.
18:22:45 Me, and Rob joined the same lab as a assistant.
18:22:49 Man.
18:22:50 Yeah, so.
18:22:51 That's how you know each other.
18:22:54 So, if you prefer that.
18:22:55 Yeah, we were knowing before, even before that.
18:22:58 Oh!
18:22:58 Deandra. We're working on a research project and we published a paper so.
18:23:04 New from that.
18:23:05 But fun part is like he was my ta when I was taking a course.
18:23:10 Okay.
18:23:11 So through that we know each other.
18:23:13 Nice that that's nice. At least you people were for each other during that lab work, and all of other things. At least you people work together in those fronts.
18:23:25 Just a quick question there. When you people were filling out the application forms. Obviously it was 2022, for straight was for you. 23. Did you people like find anything like different in your application process? Like, obviously, we know there are details like putting up an sop putting ups. But were there any other.
18:23:50 Requirements that. Maybe we can start with you, Raul. What all did you provide us for your as part of your application process? And then we could see if anything differed.
18:24:01 Yeah. So when I was when I was applying was deferred.
18:24:07 So it was not mandatory.
18:24:11 And even for the English language.
18:24:15 They have given option of Duolingo.
18:24:18 But I was already having. I was already having the scores for ielts, so I applied with that.
18:24:24 So this was one difference which I saw.
18:24:27 Okay? And apart from that, were they like any essays or video interviews, anything that the application.
18:24:35 Process involved for you.
18:24:38 Yeah. So, as usual, there were statement of purpose.
18:24:42 And there were recommendation letter which we had to provide.
18:24:46 But there was no.
18:24:48 In person, I'm sorry, I mean to say, like there was no interview before providing us the season.
18:24:56 Okay.
18:24:56 And what about to share anything.
18:24:58 I think it was same for me, was deferred.
18:25:02 And.
18:25:03 Yeah, they allow Duolingo and.
18:25:05 I had total scores. I went to the top scores.
18:25:08 Okay.
18:25:09 So I think they have a variety of English language.
18:25:14 That they accept. So that's a very good part that comes to Long Beach, because other universities are really strict on that.
18:25:21 And
18:25:21 I. I also submitted my sops, my transcript.
18:25:25 So the basic package that you need to submit is required.
18:25:30 Okay, great. So I guess this looks the same, because back in 22.
18:25:35 I also submitted the same things like my sop Lo's and I'll score, because back in 2,022 as well, they were not asking for anything, not even for Cal state, when I applied for it.
18:25:46 So, yeah.
18:25:49 Pretty much this much. Only, yeah.
18:25:51 That's it.
18:25:51 So. The course that your people enrolled for does it starts only in fall, or does it starts like.
18:25:59 Maybe in spring as well.
18:26:02 Or is it just fall? Specific course.
18:26:07 They went to Google.
18:26:09 Yeah, so.
18:26:09 Okay.
18:26:10 No, no! You go ahead. You go ahead.
18:26:13 So last so usually Csl, B. Has 2 intakes. It's spring and fall.
18:26:19 But last time it was different.
18:26:22 That is so this time, basically in this spring they stopped the intake. So it was just fall intake.
18:26:29 But again I've heard.
18:26:30 That they are rolling out the spring intake again.
18:26:34 They have made the fallen really competitive, because right now the fall batch came, and I had a conversation with a couple of people who came in.
18:26:42 So they have made it really competitive. They have just accepted students.
18:26:46 At that at the time that when I came it was 120 students.
18:26:50 In spring.
18:26:51 So they have made it really competitive, maybe because they have opened the spring semester for 25.
18:26:59 So that's how it works.
18:27:00 Yeah.
18:27:01 That's like a big from 40 versus 120. But at least they have like 2 2
18:27:09 Yeah.
18:27:09 Like a.
18:27:09 Thanks.
18:27:12 Yeah, yeah.
18:27:11 2 times that they're opening up the session so that could actually fill up that gap. So yeah, 40 is.
18:27:18 Yeah, something. I guess they can fill it up in the spring section as well.
18:27:22 Right.
18:27:22 Okay.
18:27:23 Okay.
18:27:25 So
18:27:27 Just wanted to check next step on how we're transitioning times for the 2 of you when you people shifted here more towards
18:27:36 Starting couple of weeks. How did it went for.
18:27:40 Use, Ray, because you are the closest one to the year now. So how did 23.
18:27:48 In Cal state. How was it for you moving out and coming here for the initial couple of weeks.
18:27:55 Right. So it was really amazing for me, because.
18:27:59 When I was in undergrad. I like Covid hit, and I couldn't go to the university, so I just.
18:28:05 Went for one and a half years.
18:28:07 And it was a big for me, because I really like to go to university, and I.
18:28:11 Interact experience 2 different activities, right.
18:28:14 So it was really amazing for me, because everything had opened up here, and when I came so.
18:28:19 And Csl B. Has a.
18:28:21 Master campus. So a lot of events keep on happening every night.
18:28:24 So every hour there is some event happening in the University.
18:28:28 And I really enjoy going to events.
18:28:31 For the 1st semester I went to almost every event.
18:28:34 So they used to make us play games, or like they used to give us free.
18:28:39 Who doesn't like Easter. So.
18:28:41 It. It was an amazing journey, and I think I really enjoyed it. I had. I wasn't feeling homesick in the 1st few months, so.
18:28:50 My parents were shocked because it was the 1st time.
18:28:52 Amazing.
18:28:53 Nice that you weren't feeling homesick. I was being part of a lot of events.
18:28:58 Yet I was homesick.
18:29:00 No, yeah, I really enjoyed it here. I don't know why, but
18:29:04 Yeah. So I was out of home for the 1st time, and I came.
18:29:08 Here so still I was not feeling homesick, and I was really enjoying it.
18:29:12 That's really strange, difficult to digest, but it's really great that it was good for you. But any sort of like preparations that you did before coming in for your masters like anything in specific.
18:29:25 That prepped up.
18:29:27 Learnt, or anything of that sort that you could, you know, have better days here.
18:29:32 A.
18:29:34 I think
18:29:36 The things like I almost had like I took a 6 month break.
18:29:41 I got an internship with physical research laboratory.
18:29:44 So I worked there.
18:29:47 And I got a lot of experience there. So I built some algorithms. I contributed to them.
18:29:53 I can say the which base program I contributed to, but it was a success.
18:29:58 And
18:30:00 It's it was amazing. So whoever is coming just have some.
18:30:06 Basic preparation about what you want to do.
18:30:09 And just build some skills, have some projects in hand.
18:30:13 If you are looking for Job here, start like before you come, start doing so.
18:30:18 Yeah.
18:30:19 Landed. And I started doing code because.
18:30:21 It's it's what's needed here.
18:30:24 I know, and considering now the land of opportunities.
18:30:30 Is a little scarce on opportunities.
18:30:32 So it's better, you know. You prep yourself well, so that you could stand out in front of a crowd because it becomes really competitive. Everyone has those skills. You have to stand out in some of the other ways, and.
18:30:46 Obviously, I understand there are a lot of that we do when we come back from our home country and.
18:30:53 But still this is something more of an added thing. Now that you should prep well, so that you fit in well and.
18:30:59 You.
18:31:00 Have to be proactive from day one. Now it's it's for that like. I was also proactive back in 2022 as well. But now it's like.
18:31:08 A doodle situation that you have to be.
18:31:11 So, yeah, that was good one. What about you? How would the initial transition days or weeks for you look like when you landed here?
18:31:22 Yeah, for me. The initial time was what I hit hard was the jet lag.
18:31:28 Yeah. So it took me like.
18:31:31 Almost one and a half week to get adjusted to the timing. Here.
18:31:36 And.
18:31:37 Like it was.
18:31:38 Not an easy transition for me.
18:31:42 Apart from that, one of the interesting thing. What I will want to bring here is that.
18:31:47 When you are coming from a industrial background.
18:31:50 Then.
18:31:52 You have to read up yourself, and to the academic setting.
18:31:56 Because when you start going to the classes.
18:32:01 You have to be focused for like 1 1 and a half hour, or even like 3 h, depending on the class schedule.
18:32:08 Because when we were when we are used to working in the.
18:32:13 Industry. It is like we take the breaks based on ourselves.
18:32:17 And.
18:32:19 Another thing is here. You have to be very self disciplined.
18:32:24 Right.
18:32:25 And to add more about.
18:32:28 With respect to the jobs and everything.
18:32:32 I do agree with Stray that doing lead code.
18:32:35 That is all perfectly fine.
18:32:36 But if you see, like right now, the job applications and people applying for them is like.
18:32:43 I will not be saturated. I will say it's like highly saturated.
18:32:47 So I know few people.
18:32:49 Who can solve any problem in lead code.
18:32:52 And I'm saying any problem you need code. But still.
18:32:55 They're having a hard time.
18:32:57 Getting a job.
18:33:00 So here the important thing which we need to consider is.
18:33:05 All the hard skills.
18:33:08 Like lead code or any of the interview sections. Everyone is preparing.
18:33:12 But how?
18:33:15 You were standing out.
18:33:16 In the application.
18:33:17 That you need to figure it out. I mean to say, like, there's no documentation about it, and there's not a playbook.
18:33:24 That if you do this.
18:33:25 It will happen.
18:33:27 It is up to the.
18:33:30 Student, or it is up to the person who is looking for the job he has to create. He has to craft that path.
18:33:36 Which no one has done before.
18:33:39 And.
18:33:40 He should be noticeable.
18:33:41 To the employer.
18:33:43 So.
18:33:44 This thing. People need to think about it, because, like right now, what I see.
18:33:48 That people just blindly going through some of the boot camp, and and everyone is.
18:33:54 Creating projects and putting on Github. That's all good. But.
18:33:58 If everyone is doing the same thing.
18:34:01 How the.
18:34:02 Interviewer is interviewer are going to differentiate among you.
18:34:06 What's the unique skills.
18:34:10 I agree that that's there, and I guess I blame everyone as well there, because.
18:34:16 We actually think of. Like, you know, some things would hit up like, you know, if we do this, maybe particular job fields would open for us.
18:34:35 No. Yeah.
18:34:25 Because it's that situation where everyone is trying to learn a lot of things, and somehow thinking it could be beneficial. But it's actually the market, which is not at all good positions.
18:34:38 There's not much staffing needed, because everyone is actually a lot full.
18:34:44 Yeah, yeah.
18:34:44 So.
18:34:45 That's more of the situation. We're actually dealing up with. And obviously nobody.
18:34:52 Feels like that. There's no harm in learning anything having that mindset, but that has really deviated in ways where people, you know, are learning multiple things like they're also doing, you know, courses or certification of competitive technology like.
18:35:09 Organizations.
18:35:10 So.
18:35:10 So many things.
18:35:11 That's also a thing, and I would blame the time more.
18:35:15 Yeah.
18:35:15 To than than the people here. And it's just the situation that's making us do all these things. I myself took like 10 months.
18:35:23 To land up to this job because I started it the day I.
18:35:26 Came forward my Master's degree. So it took me a lot of time, and considering the challenges how prep you are, I had 5 years of work, but still, you know.
18:35:38 That's just the time that I was blaming all the time.
18:35:42 This this I completely agree.
18:35:43 Yeah.
18:35:44 Yes.
18:35:44 Yeah.
18:35:45 So
18:35:48 I wanted to like pitch down and talk more about like we're just deviating a bit from the degree, the college and the course, and wanted to talk more about, because you're both coming in different years, both on visa, on student visas, wanted to talk more about how is that experience for the any hiccups. If.
18:36:07 How did you people overcome it? And so that it could be a good knowledge sharing for others as well, who want to come.
18:36:14 On a student visa.
18:36:16 And how would your people's experiences so.
18:36:20 Probably if you want to start first.st
18:36:23 Okay, so.
18:36:24 Like. I only had a student visa, and before that I have I had, like a, b 1 b, 2. That is business and tourist visa.
18:36:32 So.
18:36:33 I was quite sure that I'm going to complete the studies, and then, after start working here.
18:36:40 So that that was my take.
18:36:44 But how was your experience? For you know, how did you apply for it? And how did the process go for you? For the f 1 user.
18:36:56 Yeah.
18:36:55 Okay, okay, yeah, I get, I get the question now, okay.
18:36:59 So applying for the f 1 visa, I will say it's like a.
18:37:04 Plain and simple.
18:37:05 You apply on the Go Us government website.
18:37:09 You fill the forms mandatory forms like Ds. 160. You schedule the interview.
18:37:14 You will get the date, and you have to go like 2 times for the interview, one for the biometric and one for, like in person, interview.
18:37:23 And.
18:37:24 With like a in person interview. You will get the decision then and there.
18:37:29 Unless and until there is some special circumstances.
18:37:32 And after that you will. You will apply for id.
18:37:37 You will pay the. You will pay everything, the government fee and everything.
18:37:42 Okay. So overall, I will say.
18:37:44 Like, is.
18:37:45 It's like. Do it yourself. Kind of work.
18:37:49 And.
18:37:50 If you are, if you really need some kind of a help.
18:37:53 When I was applying.
18:37:54 Then I took help. Some of the.
18:37:57 Online discussion forum.
18:37:59 Which were very active.
18:38:01 And students were also helping each other.
18:38:05 So that was my experience.
18:38:08 But like. How was, you know, grabbing for the appointment for you in 2022? Was it rigorous? And how was the experience during the interview, like what were some of the questions that were asked. You.
18:38:20 If you can, you know.
18:38:22 Okay. Okay.
18:38:23 Tell us regarding that? Yeah.
18:38:25 Okay. So first, st I will talk about the appointment.
18:38:29 For the interview.
18:38:31 So I was also part of some of the student discussion group where they were checking like, Hey, did you get it?
18:38:38 So.
18:38:38 I think like I was quite lucky.
18:38:41 That.
18:38:42 I got the interview within like 2 weeks, and most of the student in that group, they were just surprised. Oh, my God, how you got it!
18:38:50 Okay, and.
18:38:52 I do, I will!
18:38:53 To be very honest, I was little nervous.
18:38:55 About the interview process.
18:38:58 That. Oh, my God! What question they are going to ask! And I was just going through some of the existing, and which were available on the discussion Forum.
18:39:06 And.
18:39:07 After, like some point of time, I was just thinking, like, Okay.
18:39:12 Let's face the interview. Let's go to the interview and answer what they're asking, and just be honest about it.
18:39:18 So.
18:39:19 For me. There were just 2 questions.
18:39:22 1st question they asked like.
18:39:25 Why you are applying for f, 1 student visa.
18:39:27 So it was quite plain and simple. I told them that I'm planning for masters and computer science. I told that.
18:39:35 University name and everything.
18:39:37 And.
18:39:38 Like? The second question.
18:39:41 Was that why you were going for masters right now?
18:39:44 So. This I had to explain them because they were seeing a.
18:39:49 Vaux, of like almost 12 years.
18:39:51 So that was like, Okay, why, you have decided. Now.
18:39:55 So.
18:39:56 I explained them the reason that why I was going.
18:40:00 Now.
18:40:09 Yeah, yeah.
18:40:03 Okay, that was an easy one, I guess. I guess that should have not taken 10 to 15 seconds at the counter. You were all good right.
18:40:12 Yeah.
18:40:11 Yeah. Yeah. Then they handed. Then they told, like, Yeah, we are approving you.
18:40:16 Visa.
18:40:17 That's amazing like that. That's, I guess, the best case scenario for me also happened on the same notes. But yeah, for me to get. The appointment was pretty difficult, like it was.
18:40:34 Or one call.
18:40:28 I don't want to remember that because I go to the appointment somewhere in the morning at 4 30 am. And I got it 1st in Bombay, but then I somehow got it rescheduled to Delhi. But it was very cut to good like I had to fly a week after, and a week before I got my interview appointment. So it was like.
18:40:51 Fully. You know you have to manifest that I have to go like you have to consider. No, I'm.
18:40:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:40:55 Approved.
18:40:55 And I'm going there. So my situation was.
18:41:00 But.
18:41:00 Hmm! Like to add more.
18:41:03 Believe.
18:41:02 Yeah, she will do it, I guess.
18:41:05 Yeah. So I followed the same process, as Raoul explained. So.
18:41:11 I also looked into different columns for help. I submitted all the documents that they required.
18:41:17 And it was pretty easy for me to get the appointment too.
18:41:20 I was in a Whatsapp group where all the students were going, and they were like all the slots, have opened.
18:41:27 I just booked it there, and there I got my interview in Mumbai.
18:41:31 So I.
18:41:34 Or when there
18:41:35 But the biometric. It was all good, and then I went for the main.
18:41:39 Interview.
18:41:41 And so they asked me a couple of.
18:41:44 Not a couple of questions. They have me a lot of questions about 5 to 10 questions about.
18:41:49 What I was doing.
18:41:50 What I wanted to do.
18:41:53 Which area I wanted to.
18:41:54 Research in.
18:41:56 And a lot of questions that they asked and.
18:41:58 After that they handed me my passport back, so.
18:42:04 I thought like, oh, my visa has been rejected, because usually they take the passporting right.
18:42:09 And they gave me a sleep about 2, 2, 1 g.
18:42:12 And they told that. Please look at the slip, and you can.
18:42:17 Follow the instructions there, so.
18:42:20 I came out, and I thought, like visa has been rejected, because usually it's the rejection is also 2, 1, 4, something slip.
18:42:28 So I was confused and.
18:42:31 It was a different situation for me.
18:42:33 So I thought that the visa has been rejected. But I, when I looked at the slip and everything so.
18:42:40 They requested for further evidence. It's called an Rp.
18:42:44 So request for further evidence. There might be a lot of reasons for them requiring that because I had a lot of research.
18:42:51 Back in India and also work with Indian space organization.
18:42:54 Which is a space agency.
18:42:57 That might be one of the reasons. But we don't exactly don't know what the reason is. And also my research areas in ail which is.
18:43:05 And a different list for.
18:43:09 It's I don't know exactly what it is, but.
18:43:12 You might look at the Uscs website.
18:43:14 So I submitted my all my documents.
18:43:18 So they asked for. What?
18:43:20 All I did what all research I did back in India.
18:43:24 Whom I was associated with, who is funding me.
18:43:26 And of how I'm what I'm what my plans are.
18:43:31 To do in us. Do? Am I doing any research with any of the professor? Then.
18:43:35 So I didn't have any plans then.
18:43:39 Partnership. So I am doing some research with my professor.
18:43:43 So.
18:43:44 That was the situation, and then I submitted.
18:43:47 All my documents to them.
18:43:51 I submitted it about 1st half December, and.
18:43:55 Usually it comes at 15 to 20 days, but it didn't come.
18:43:59 So I was almost losing hopes that oh.
18:44:02 I think they might reject my visa and.
18:44:05 I think I won't be going this.
18:44:08 Sinister I might be trying for the next one, but luckily, on the 23rd day I.
18:44:13 Got my acceptance for the visa, and I had to submit a passport at the nearest
18:44:18 Local, Mbc.
18:44:19 For me it was, and about because I'm staying in Ambo.
18:44:23 Yeah, I just submitted it, and they give me a visa.
18:44:27 But though.
18:44:28 Different part here is usually people get a 5 year visa.
18:44:33 And I got a 4 year visa.
18:44:34 So.
18:44:37 It's okay that you get a 4 year visa. No problem out there. You'd do it again.
18:44:43 And it's.
18:44:44 But is there like a reason for it? Just because is it the Rf. Reason, or it's something else?
18:44:50 I don't know what exactly is the reason, because one of my other friend got an Rfp. Too, and he had. He has a 5 year visa, so.
18:44:56 I'm not sure why they provide me, provided me a 4 year visa.
18:45:00 So.
18:45:01 Okay.
18:45:02 And one of the thing I would like to tell that.
18:45:05 If I go again for any other visa, for example, h. 1 b.
18:45:09 Right, so I'll I'll get Arithi again.
18:45:12 So it's something like that that I have heard.
18:45:15 From different forums.
18:45:17 So I'm not sure about it. But if you have, get me prepared, I'm prepared for that.
18:45:23 You're creating a lot of questions for people into research that they're getting everywhere. Every visa changes that they make.
18:45:32 Oh, yeah.
18:45:32 But yeah, that's that's, I guess, is a very stressful experience, I must say. But.
18:45:38 I'm thankful and grateful that things walked up. And now you're almost close to graduation.
18:45:45 Does it? It doesn't matter that it's like a 4 year thing versus to a 5 year thing, because.
18:45:52 Anyways. One doesn't use the full, you know, like there are less of people who utilizes the full 5 year. It's like before that they move to a different visa. Either it's an h 1 b or some other visa that they're applying for.
18:46:07 But you know.
18:46:08 2 experiences 2 years, and we could see a lot of promotion there, like 2023, was a difficult 1. 22 was.
18:46:16 You can see, like a 15 second interview, and he was done and dusted.
18:46:20 Yeah.
18:46:21 That was the quickest one considering the one that you had. But I guess there's more things that.
18:46:28 They see that we couldn't, you know, visualize it, sitting on their side. We're more on the side that we have to go, so I can understand what things they look out for.
18:46:41 But considering the fact I wanted to touch base upon, because you people are both into research. People have worked into the same labs.
18:46:51 And obviously share. You have tons of things on the research side, things which we can talk about, things which we cannot.
18:46:58 Same goes for Yahoo as well. So I know that you people are involved in a lot of community work in a lot of like clubs that you organize at your universities, and so.
18:47:10 I would really like to give you that stand to talk about all those things that you've done as part of Cal state in Long Beach, and.
18:47:19 Other things that are still into motion. And you want to talk about once you graduate. So.
18:47:24 If she you want to start with, and you can hand it over to Rahul.
18:47:28 Sure.
18:47:28 So like, as we mentioned earlier, that me and Rahul.
18:47:32 And you were doing research together, and usually
18:47:38 Ideally want someone that like, I want a community where resources happening. And I want to learn more about what.
18:47:44 New things are being researched, and what new things are being built right.
18:47:49 So me and Rahul really aligned on that idea, and.
18:47:53 That's how we founded the 1st aid, Cisco in 23 Csu's.
18:47:59 So that was one of the.
18:48:02 Motive that we wanted to make an impact on people here, because Csu are considered to be.
18:48:07 Are 2 universities.
18:48:09 And there's not.
18:48:11 Very much research happening compared to the r. 1 universities. But there's a good amount of.
18:48:16 And we wanted to make people aware about this, that.
18:48:21 All kind of research can happen. And research is not that tough as people think.
18:48:26 Right.
18:48:27 So that's the reason for opening the research club.
18:48:31 I think Raoul can explain more, and then I can take over the initiative that are going right now.
18:48:37 Okay. So I went to say, like one of the main reason of founding the AI Research Club at the University.
18:48:44 It initially started with the motive of having.
18:48:48 Industry and academia together, and do a meaningful research.
18:48:52 But later, over the period of time, we had like multiple interaction with like people from industry and also from the student.
18:49:00 We started collaborating with some of the department from School of Design, School of Art School of Liberal Arts.
18:49:08 And.
18:49:08 We were thinking of.
18:49:10 Having some sort of a internal collaboration.
18:49:13 Where people can come with a different use, cases.
18:49:16 And.
18:49:19 We the computer science student.
18:49:20 We will help them out. How to use AI in their work.
18:49:25 So that's still in the pipeline.
18:49:27 But.
18:49:28 Over, the.
18:49:29 Over.
18:49:31 Coming months.
18:49:32 My vision has changed a little bit.
18:49:36 So here I'm just planning to have.
18:49:39 Some sort of ecosystem.
18:49:43 Where the where one of the one of the outcome of the A research club.
18:49:47 Will be doing a impactful and meaningful research.
18:49:52 So whenever you hear of some.
18:49:55 Research clubs.
18:49:57 Or maybe like a research institution.
18:49:59 The outcome, and the metrics which you measure is by seeing which.
18:50:05 Conferences they published.
18:50:06 Whether it's the A. Star conferences.
18:50:08 Or whatever it is.
18:50:10 So I want to change the dynamics. I want to bring a change in the community.
18:50:16 Where the metrics is not.
18:50:18 The number of papers you published, number of citation. You get.
18:50:22 The Hindex.
18:50:24 It creates for you.
18:50:26 Because, to be very honest, all these things can be gimmified.
18:50:30 And.
18:50:31 Which is happening right now.
18:50:32 And you won't be able to filter out the actual.
18:50:37 Actual.
18:50:37 I mean to say, like students.
18:50:40 Who are really interested in research.
18:50:43 So my objective here right now.
18:50:46 Is to foster a collaboration of research where the outcome we quantify.
18:50:52 Using? What is the thing you have built up.
18:50:55 Is that being used by people or not.
18:50:58 How it is being perceived by other.
18:51:01 So these are few of the things, and along in the same line.
18:51:06 So along with Ray, we have, like few of the other students.
18:51:11 Where we have created a.
18:51:15 I will say.
18:51:16 Some sort of a Llm.
18:51:18 Where.
18:51:19 It's kind of a chat board. And multi there are multiple things going on which I don't want to disclose much here.
18:51:25 So. So that's the thing. So just to reiterate.
18:51:28 There are 2 object there like 2 objective for the Research club. One was.
18:51:34 Fostering a collaborative ecosystem.
18:51:37 And second, was changing the dynamics. How people see research.
18:51:42 Not with the metrics of just publication.
18:51:45 I guess that's.
18:51:46 Something very good like you people are, focusing more on quality over quantity. That, it's more of like.
18:51:55 What are you actually making? How?
18:51:58 Can this be used? And how is it different from what we don't have in the present scenarios over quantity, like, you know, there are multiple applications and things of the same.
18:52:10 Yeah, yeah.
18:52:09 Manner. It's just like just, active, passive voice, but it's similar to the same. But that's really great. And you know, you talked about this that thing that you know, you're defining research in a different way, because me being from the cyber security side, and I've never like published papers or anything of that sort, and.
18:52:29 This could be something that I could look up to like people like me to, you know, understand what is actually research. And how can you better bring yourself to it like your experience, and you know other things from the community? So.
18:52:43 Really love that fact. I don't want you to.
18:52:46 Give out more information, but something that is out for the public that you can talk about, or anything in a limited manner which is coming for future.
18:52:57 Things
18:53:00 Shape. You want to.
18:53:00 I I can give a little glimpse about it, so.
18:53:03 I'll I'll make.
18:53:06 People understand what the problem statement is and.
18:53:09 They can get an idea about what we are trying to build. So.
18:53:11 A lot of people who are applying to the university, be it an international student or a local student from here, right.
18:53:19 So they go and go on the Csv website, for example.
18:53:23 And it's very tough to find the course. And it's a lot of information on the website itself. Right?
18:53:28 And people get confused about. Oh, exactly what information to get.
18:53:32 So we are trying to build something out that.
18:53:36 On one click. You can get all the information from it.
18:53:39 And you just have to.
18:53:42 Like, enter what exactly you need, and.
18:53:44 That's what we are trying to build and something soon we are watching. Next month.
18:53:49 Oh!
18:53:49 You guys can keep an eye on it.
18:53:51 Okay. And I will put an I with the podcast episode when it goes out. So.
18:53:58 Don't worry. We'll have all the links listed so that you can go and see what they're doing and how you can be part of it, so can anyone apart from like, if anyone's not.
18:54:10 Part of Cal State can also be part of this group, or is it just restricted to.
18:54:16 Cal. State students or folks.
18:54:18 So I think, as Raul mentioned, that we want to foster a collaborative tool. So.
18:54:24 Anyone and everyone who's interested in research and.
18:54:27 Willing to collaborate with the club. We are happy to collaborate with them in any of the ways that we can.
18:54:33 Perfect.
18:54:33 That that was a question that was a personal one, just to understand. If people like me, who have never been into research and can understand things and see if they fit in anywhere into the field. This could be a good start point so.
18:54:49 I'll have all of the links so that you know anyone's watching right now can actually go up and look up what they're doing and be part of whatever circles they are launching, as of now and in the future, so that you could be part of it and know more about it, but this is a good one, like
18:55:07 Research, things really happen less, or they happen either in silos.
18:55:12 That's what I've heard and seen.
18:55:14 And collaboration is something that brings out like multiple heads working on one thing. And multiple perspectives comes from the table and.
18:55:23 There's like a better model gets figured out. So.
18:55:27 I think so. You people are really into research, and there's a lot of things that you can do. So I would wish you would love for what you're doing and helping others.
18:55:36 Yeah.
18:55:36 You know, know better about research and about obviously Aiml is now like the new innovation ways that you would not find much people.
18:55:46 But a lot of us are interested into it because.
18:55:50 We do use them on a daily basis.
18:55:53 So how can we like make it better? But that's great. Thank you for sharing it on the podcast? Platform.
18:56:00 We're almost very close, but
18:56:04 I just wanted for you people to talk about. I know Cal State is a very reputed university, and you know, with the Research club that you people started. And obviously you people stressed upon that. The Long Beach.
18:56:17 Place had the most of the research opportunities. Because it's it's great for you to be part of the research elements.
18:56:24 So I just wanted for you both to shed light on your job experiences when you people obviously.
18:56:32 Sure you're very close to your graduation. So.
18:56:35 What are some things that maybe the institution is helping you, or it's more of you're still stuck up with the job scenario. How was the job? Search for you since you started when you came here? 23. So how did it look for you? And as of now.
18:56:53 Right, so.
18:56:55 Like. When I came here I was the 1st thing was internship, but I was not able to do it, because for an international students. You need to wait 9 months.
18:57:03 Until you can start your Cpt.
18:57:06 So I was not able to do the internship for the 1st year, so.
18:57:10 I was early and started doing detour.
18:57:14 In the summer after my classes ended and I started applying last June.
18:57:19 For my internships.
18:57:20 And I gave a lot of interviews, and after that I finally got.
18:57:24 An internship where I needed help.
18:57:27 So I interned at Telco health as a software developer this summer.
18:57:32 And currently, I'm working with them as a co-OP in.
18:57:36 So I'm continuing until December for my semester. The University has.
18:57:41 Been really supportive in that. They have a lot allowed me to.
18:57:46 In terms of students, require a lot of paperwork, and they have been really supportive for that.
18:57:50 And
18:57:52 That's the best thing I like about Long Beach, because.
18:57:55 The department is really supportive and also the international student services.
18:58:00 Represents us is also very supportive about approving all the things and clearing any of the doubts.
18:58:06 That we have, because this always goes into a gray area, because if one document is not clear, it might.
18:58:12 You might be not eligible to work so.
18:58:15 They make sure that you are.
18:58:18 Eligible to work in a proper way, and after that.
18:58:20 Getting all my approvals, I started my co-OP.
18:58:24 I'm I'm really happy where I am right now. So.
18:58:28 So what about like? Obviously, you graduate in December right.
18:58:33 And that's when your co-OP ends as well. So.
18:58:36 Like.
18:58:38 Are you working on getting like a full time offered by them, or like your.
18:58:42 Applying elsewhere as well for the full time. Job starting January 25.
18:58:49 Right, so.
18:58:49 It can, in the.
18:58:51 Background as well going on.
18:58:53 Yes, so.
18:58:54 If the organization wants.
18:58:56 To continuously. I would really love to do that, because I really like the.
18:59:01 Calls that they're doing, helping people out.
18:59:04 This is
18:59:05 Like has been my motto.
18:59:07 Helping people out.
18:59:08 So I would really like to get a return here.
18:59:12 And side by side. I haven't applied it, but.
18:59:15 I'm looking for applying.
18:59:17 So let's see how it turns out to me, because it's been really busy.
18:59:21 Did.
18:59:20 Okay, right now, you're you're in a safe space that you know you have that go up so. But yeah, market is still bad. I would say.
18:59:28 Still there. Yeah.
18:59:30 Let us drop!
18:59:31 What about you, Robert?
18:59:33 So I graduated in May 24.
18:59:36 And after a month.
18:59:39 I got the.
18:59:42 Job offer through reference through one of the professor.
18:59:45 And it was from college of business, although I did in computer science.
18:59:51 And, I mean to say, like even at the University, I was.
18:59:53 I was spending most of the time at college of business.
18:59:57 So that job offer that was really interesting. That was development in the field of geni which is happening right now.
19:00:04 But I thought of like.
19:00:07 Not taking up the job for the time being.
19:00:10 Because as an international student.
19:00:13 On f 1 OP. You get like.
19:00:16 All one year, where you can do.
19:00:19 Of.
19:00:21 I mean to say you can do all the work which is in your field of interest.
19:00:26 So I am planning to take up this year.
19:00:29 To work on some of the startups.
19:00:32 And this September I will be moving to Newark, where I will be working with blurrys.
19:00:40 With Robin Hood.
19:00:41 And that is entertainers in residence program, and that is for the 3 months. And the actual theme is.
19:00:49 Solving poverty in the work with use of AI.
19:00:53 So that's the plan which I'm doing. That's the that's the plan for me for the time being.
19:01:00 That's really amazing. Like, you people.
19:01:02 I've given me a big time, hard time that what am I doing so much into like AI? And these are really amazing projects that you both talked about like obviously share. You did it into the health side, and then you are moving more on the poverty side, and you know how AI could be an element, and I know AI. Is that versatile that it could work everywhere.
19:01:41 Yeah, yeah.
19:01:27 So that's really commendable. I'm I'm also hearing it for the very 1st time, and that's really exciting for me to know that, you know. People also think like that, you know, the 1st year of the OP. Could be paid or unpaid, both so.
19:01:42 Yeah, so we could go for that one, because the second year is when a lot of things comes and aligns with the stem extension. So, but yeah, that's really nice. I'm really happy with what you people are doing, and I guess everyone hearing it as well, would be glad that.
19:01:58 You people are actually applying your masters somewhere.
19:02:02 Yeah, we have to. We have to. I mean to say, like.
19:02:04 Making money. Even anyone can make money.
19:02:07 I mean you.
19:02:07 That has become so like.
19:02:10 Yeah.
19:02:09 Old fashioned like making, or everyone can do it.
19:02:13 Maybe anyone can make money. Okay. But the thing is like for the time which we have right now, how we are helping out the people how we are contributing what we have got it like. It's more about giving back to the community.
19:02:25 Right.
19:02:26 And also the good thing about the fellowship is paid.
19:02:32 Nights. It's like Cherry on the cake.
19:02:36 But that's really nice. I would love to know more about it. Probably once you join September, and you know conversation more about what things are coming.
19:02:46 And good luck like to New York and.
19:02:50 To obviously the project that you're joining. It's.
19:02:53 It. It would be amazing for you in in an amazing city.
19:02:57 Yeah.
19:02:57 Little beaches, though. But yeah.
19:03:01 I'll be coming back to La.
19:03:03 I quickly.
19:03:03 Oh, yeah, 3 months. Yeah. But you would find things. But yeah, city life is also great there. Yeah. But.
19:03:11 Welcome to like 3 months like 3 h back in time. Why did it say months like 3.
19:03:21 It's.
19:03:18 See I was back in time. It's more of the fun part to beat the East coast as well.
19:03:24 So.
19:03:24 But yeah, that's that's commendable to what all you're doing. Obviously through the Research Club. And then the current organizations that you have been tied with. So I wish you get that extended off a letter, or you get placed somewhere better, and obviously good luck to you, Raul, for that fellowship. And normally, I don't see fellowships that are paid, but.
19:03:47 You know that that's amazing that you're getting paid.
19:03:50 Yeah.
19:03:50 But at the end I wanted to close off this podcast. By each one of you to talk about.
19:03:56 One or 2 sentences about.
19:04:00 Who is coming down for a master's in Cal state. What do you want to give out as.
19:04:07 Member of the alumni. Anything that you want to say to them. If you want to go first.st
19:04:13 So.
19:04:15 Just in one line. I will be having the having.
19:04:17 Like this? Thought.
19:04:20 Put for thought for the people who want to come.
19:04:22 Find a very strong reason that why you want to come.
19:04:28 Okay, and.
19:04:29 That's the biggest thing.
19:04:31 Yeah. And this would be very what do you say? Adaptable and quite resilient about.
19:04:39 Going into.
19:04:40 Uncertain Reasons.
19:04:43 Because life in us.
19:04:48 Yeah.
19:04:46 It's never a smooth drive. It always comes with a lot of speed.
19:04:52 And you'll have to be ready for that.
19:04:54 Right.
19:04:55 And obviously, when you've spent a lot of money.
19:04:58 You have to be very sure and confident that you can make it.
19:05:03 Very true.
19:05:07 It's more like.
19:05:05 I gave my 2 lines over to you.
19:05:09 Yeah. So I totally agree with what Raul said. And.
19:05:13 Adding to that, come prepared.
19:05:15 Because the market is not.
19:05:17 Good right now. So if you're planning to come.
19:05:21 And the market would increase. So if you're looking for opportunities, the land of opportunities will be bad.
19:05:26 To land, of opportunities that cannot stay.
19:05:28 Far from that title.
19:05:31 So it's it's going to be back. So come prepared.
19:05:35 Properly, and just don't think, just enjoy the life here.
19:05:39 And it's an experience because you won't be getting this experience again.
19:05:43 So.
19:05:45 Come and enjoy. That's it.
19:05:47 That's great. We all gave our fun elements here. We talked about a lot of things, and I hope your experiences and whatever you're doing right now.
19:05:58 Really helps people really motivates them, that obviously there are things you can do beyond your Master's degree as well in terms of fellowships or anything else that that was really impressive for me. What you people are doing and will do in the future. And obviously she good luck for your graduation, probably more pictures regarding that on your Linkedin.
19:06:22 And we'll have more of the New York Times as well when you will be there for the fellowship so.
19:06:28 Thank you, both of you. Obviously, we will keep really busy with things. But thank you so much for coming up on the podcast and sharing.
19:06:37 Your very amazing experience in a very moderate tone. But this is something to talk about again and again, because you people are doing really great things together.
19:06:47 And I wish you good luck for the Research Club for you to actually.
19:06:53 Have that collaboration things. But a lot of folks to understand research into. AI and Ml.
19:06:58 And yeah, stay connected. And thanks again for being part of the.
19:07:03 Thanks, a.
19:07:03 Thanks for inviting.
19:07:04 Right, in.
19:07:05 Thanks for your time.
19:07:06 Yes, thank you for that.