From DARPA’s Cyber City to AI-infused startups, RSAC 2025 is more than a conference—it’s a full-on cyber journey. In this On Location episode, Sean and Marco catch up with Cecilia Marinier to talk trains (yes, literal ones), innovation, and how RSAC is building bridges between generations, industries, and communities to shape the future of cybersecurity.
All Aboard the Innovation Express: RSAC 2025 On Track for Cybersecurity’s Future
Let’s face it—RSAC isn’t just a conference anymore. It’s a movement. A ritual. A block party for cybersecurity. And this year, it’s pulling into the station with more tracks than ever before—figuratively and literally.
In this On Location episode, we reconnect with Cecilia Murtagh Marinier, Vice President of Innovation and Scholars at RSAC, to dive into what makes the 2025 edition a can’t-miss experience. And as always, Sean and Marco kick things off with a bit of improvisation, some travel jokes, and a whole lot of heart.
From the 20th Anniversary of the Innovation Sandbox (with a massive $50M investment boost from Crosspoint Capital) to the growing Early Stage Expo, LaunchPad’s Shark-Tank-style sessions, and the new Investor & Entrepreneur track, RSAC continues to set the stage for cybersecurity’s next big thing.
And this year, they’re going bigger—literally. The expansion into the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts brings with it a mind-blowing immersive experience: DARPA’s AI Cyber City, a physically interactive train ride through smart city scenarios, designed to show how cybersecurity touches everything—from water plants to hospitals, satellites to firmware.
Add in eight hands-on villages, security scholars programs, coffee-fueled networking zones, and a renewed focus on inclusion, mentorship, and accessibility, and you’ve got something that feels less like an event and more like a living, breathing community.
Cecilia also reminds us that RSAC is a place for everyone—from first-timers unsure where to begin to seasoned veterans ready to innovate and invest. It’s about showing up, making a plan (or not), and being open to the unexpected conversations that happen in hallways, lounges, or over espresso in the sandbox village.
And if you can’t make it in person? RSAC has made sure that everything is accessible online—600 speakers, 600 vendors, and endless ways to engage, reflect, and be part of the global cybersecurity story.
So whether you’re hopping in the car, boarding a flight, or—who knows—riding a miniature DARPA train through Northridge City, one thing’s for sure: RSAC 2025 is going full speed ahead—and we’re bringing you along for the ride.
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Cecilia Murtagh Marinier | Cybersecurity Advisor - Strategy, Innovation & Scholars at RSA Conference
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Sean Martin: [00:00:00] Marco,
Marco Ciappelli: Sean?
Sean Martin: go ahead. You do it. I'll give you the honor.
Marco Ciappelli: No. I'll ask you a question and then you do the noise. Everybody there are noises than me. Have you, have you ever gone to San Francisco with a train?
Sean Martin: you know. I've not been to, actually not San, I've been to San Diego on a train,
Marco Ciappelli: That's, that's a long trip anyway. 'cause trains are not that good around here. Not like Europe, but apparently there's gonna be a train in San Francisco.
Sean Martin: I know
Marco Ciappelli: go ahead, do the choo choo.
Sean Martin: No, I'm not. That's a bad, that's a
We
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: actually like to call more like a cable car, and there's a bell.
Marco Ciappelli: Oh, that kind of train. Okay. All.
Sean Martin: Yes. All, some, some track Anyway. Some something's being pulled on, but uh, life doesn't always have tracks, Marco and, uh. That's where things get fun. And that's why we have a group of people, a community of folks that come together, [00:01:00] uh, Cecilia and Linda and Britta and everybody else brings a community together so we can understand where, where the tracks are and how we can keep things running on the tracks from a cyber perspective.
And that's for RSAC conference. 2025 in San Francisco. We're on our way up to, we're not gonna take the train. No, I.
Marco Ciappelli: No, we're gonna drive after. After a few years of just taking the plane, we are gonna do the old school drive together. We're gonna probably stop somewhere. Film the way, you know, we've always done. Maybe on a beach, maybe on a field, and, uh, you know, just, just get the excitement going. So, you know, we, we just like to improvise.
Not trucks for us, but there are trucks like we said . So Cecilia, it's so good to see you. It's a tradition. And, uh, we are happy we're keeping this tradition going. So share the excitement with us, what we're looking for when we get there. But let's start with who is Cecilia.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: That's a [00:02:00] great question. Very existential, but I'll just go into.
Marco Ciappelli: I.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Uh, so right now I am the Vice President of Innovation and Scholars at the R-S-A-R-S-A-C conference. It's very exciting. This year is gonna be an amazing conference for innovation, so can't wait to talk to you guys about it.
Marco Ciappelli: And we can wait to hear it.
Sean Martin: I know. So in innovation, um. Can you, again, can you give, start off with like the, the big picture? So there's Yeah. All the, all the parts that kind of make up what you look after.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Sure. So this year happens to be the 20th anniversary of the Innovation Sandbox, which is where it all started. So when I think of our innovation platform, I think of it as like, like a ripple effect coming out or a bullseye. And in the center is this really important piece, it's called the Innovation Sandbox Contest.
That happens on Monday. And after that we have the Early Stage Expo, which is an ex exhibition floor for [00:03:00] startups. Then we have launchpad, which is a competition for very early seed startups. And then this year we're just adding the innovative investors and entrepreneur track, 'cause you guys like to talk about tracks.
This track is now getting more robust so that we can actually really serve this community. So that's the platform right now for innovation. Just the innovation for cybersecurity.
Sean Martin: Love it and forgive me, but do you also still look after, uh, college day and security scholars and that stuff too?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: I do. So the other two pieces that I am, I oversee are the sandbox, which I am also very excited to talk about. Again, leaning into the train, which I'll come back to. I'm gonna give a cliffhanger here. And uh, and the other piece is for the scholars, which again is looking at the future, who are the future cyber warriors.
So we do two. Different offerings in for college students. One is called the Security Scholar Program. It's kind of like a TED Fellows. We bring the students in, we give them a curated experience, and the second is College Day, [00:04:00] which is a free full conference pass for all students. Anybody that's out there is welcome to join us and to really start to understand and engage in the conversation around cybersecurity.
Learn more about what we're doing, and that happens on May 1st, so everybody gets in there. It's a free full conference pass. You just have to sign up.
Marco Ciappelli: Very cool. I don't know you, when you were going through everything that you're gonna be talking about there and having there, you said a lot of then and then, and then and then, and it feels like every year it is always, I was like, wow, this year RSA was really, really cool. And then you guys show up and say, hold on.
We're gonna make it cooler. So what, what is that thing that you feel like this year you're really, really, really, I know you're excited about everything you do and that's beautiful. That's passion and I,
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: you, Marco, for
Marco Ciappelli: but that one thing like that, oh my God, this is awesome.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: So I'm gonna lean into the Innovation Sandbox contest because [00:05:00] this is our. This is so important to the industry. So there's two important aspects of it. Aside from 20 years of us identifying and not us the community, identifying adjudicating and selecting companies that are going to actually change the industry over the next 12, 12 months after they're on our stage.
It's also happens to be a time when we're gonna have $50 million that is going into these companies. So Crosspoint Capital, who owns RSAC. Is, um, offering $5 million to is, is investing $5 million into each of the cybersecurity startups that will be on the stage. And that to me is really reflective of a way to offer, um, democratization of, um, opportunity for a lot of the startups.
So this way they now have money and cash to go out there and start to actually make a difference in the industry. So it's a really important piece. And the other thing that we did this year is we added a sixth judge, which is kind of crazy [00:06:00] because we have five strong judges. They all represent different aspects of the community, whether they're the ciso, which is like the buyer, they're the CTO, which is somebody that's working in a security company that evaluates other companies that might be going into their stack, whether.
It's somebody like Chris Young who, who does, who works for Microsoft and might be looking for acquisitions in the future or investments in the future for them. Or actually he just left Microsoft, but he was at Microsoft. Um, and then we, we just added a new gentleman named, um, David Chen. And David comes from Morgan Stanley and he's a banker and he is helped a lot of the companies who wanna move from their.
Private, you know, venture capital out to an IPO status, for example. Uh, and he just helped out with the Wiz deal, in fact. So, or Morgan Stanley helped out with that wiz deal with, um, being bought by Google Wiz was also on our stage. So the one part that's really important is just to look at the impressive list of previous.
ISB participants. But this year I think it's really interesting as well. They have a really very diverse group. There are [00:07:00] quite a lot that are focused in on ai, of course AI security, whether it's offense or defense, um, or just keeping AI secure. Uh, but it's also like there's some really different ones.
There's one that's talking about security in, uh, in, in satellites and in medical devices and firmware and hardware. You have another one that's talking about, um, about the security in, uh, let me look over here in my little list of people. Um, small step does security in devices. So we have like seven companies, eight companies that are really focused in on ai.
But there's some other companies that are sprinkled in that are still working on some either really hard problems we haven't been able to solve or some of the problems that are still coming out there for tomorrow, which is like talking about satellite security. So very exciting. I'm on the Innovation Sandbox Contest 20th anniversary.
It's gonna be a huge event. Definitely come.
Sean Martin: So that news just came out the other day. Do, do you wanna list them all just to give [00:08:00] them all a little love?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: I have them right here next to me, and I would love to do that. So, or escapee, uh, is like, I, I think they're doing, they're really working on generative ai. Of course. Calypso AI is also looking at application agents through Ference Pro platforms. Um, protecting AI at runtime with customizable.
Listen to this. I'm just pulling it right off of the press release. Um, defensive Controls Command Zero is autonomous AI assisted investigation Platform. Equity Labs is pioneer solutions that accelerate trust in ai. Um, I know that they're working really interesting stuff. You should definitely be checking them out.
Gnostic provides the need to know access for those AI tools so that you know that your company's secure. There you have. Metalware, which is the one I was speaking about. That was talking about, um, using fuzzing techniques. Uh, automating fuzzing techniques to look at firmware. Then you have Mind, which is a data security platform, and data loss prevention.
Again, DLP super important pieces. Project Discovery, which [00:09:00] is also super unique because it's open source and now they're moving it into, it's like HashiCorp, but it's for security, definitely somebody to pay attention to. Small Step, as I mentioned, is the one that is talking about, um. Devices, securing devices.
This has been a problem forever. They're coming about it with a new approach. And Twine security lead finishes this out with, um, AI digital employees who task from A to Z to help their cyber teams close the talent gap. So a really strong, strong slate of cybersecurity companies that are helping us think about how to protect ourselves of the future.
Sean Martin: Yep. Super cool. Remind us how the, uh, the, the program works. So they each take the stage, they're up there. How long, how do they get judged? Who gets picked? How does, how does a winner get picked?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: So you know, this is completely adjudicated by the cyber security community. Those six judges I mentioned before, they're the ones that actually went through and combed through the [00:10:00] tons of applications that we got this year to select these 10, and it was really steep competition. What will happen now that the 10 are identified is we'll prep them and then they will have to go on stage and they'll come in front of you and they have three minutes to actually.
Share their story in front of these esteemed judges. Um, and afterwards there's about a three minute, very loose q and a, uh, that happens with the judges. And when I say loose, I mean the timing is loose. The three minutes on the pitch is very serious. Like there's this horrendous buzzer that comes out at the end if you don't make it in time so everybody can watch on the clock and see the, the time ticking down for these poor people and they can see it themselves.
Marco Ciappelli: play the music?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Yes, no buzz man. It sounds like, you know, when you are at a, at a basketball game and they shoot a hoop and it goes in and it's like, it's really loud, so it's hard, but so it's super fun. Very fast, very quick. Um, you get a lot of information in a very short period of time, and there is music. Marco. Don't worry, [00:11:00] there's some cool lights.
The whole room is set up. It, it feels good.
Marco Ciappelli: Good. Good. No, I, I know, you know, the thing I keep repeating all the time, it's, it's, it's about the community and, and there is, there is the excitement to, to meet there, to do things. And, and, and what is crazy is that, again, you guys dier and I'm gonna get in that train. Track direction is that you're actually expanding even more.
I mean, you, you took over pretty much. We, we made a joke the other day when we were talking with Linda and Brita that it's gonna be a block party really soon and blocking the entire area for you guys. So,
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: That's our.
Marco Ciappelli: so, I, I, I am on absolutely. But I, I'm really excited about this DARPA thing. I gotta call it thing.
You tell us what it is.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Okay, so as you mentioned, we spread ourselves out to a little bit, um, broader campus. This year we're gonna be at the [00:12:00] WA Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, and there is gonna be this activity and experience that DARPA is bringing called the AI cyber city ai X si uh, cc. And this is. Something that is, uh, it's, it's a, has to go to, you have to go to it.
It's not to miss because what they're trying to do is they're trying to get you to understand how cybersecurity actually enters into your life in all different places. And how you get there is you have to actually take a physical little, like they have built a little train and you go in there and you're moving around like you're on a train track and they're getting you ready to get into the cyber city.
So they have you passing, you know, they have. Monitors on the side, and you're passing, and they're bringing you into this like, make makeup city called Northridge City, um, north Bridge City, excuse me. Um, and then you walk into the space and they have laid out a, a different campus here for RSAC. Which [00:13:00] includes like an area that is on energy, and so you're gonna get the entire water plant and you're gonna hear about how AI is happening in cyber city.
Then you're gonna walk over to this other area that's a medical area. They're gonna have people in doctor's uniforms and proctoring the situation and giving you some feedback and letting you try these different pieces. And their goal is to. To help us all understand or how to actually get even better at applying AI into many situations that we all need it for, but we all have to do it securely.
And so they built this contest. It's two years old. It's um, they're giving away $20 million on it. They're down to four teams, I believe. And while you're walking through there, you will actually learn a little bit more about what is the competition, because that's darkest thing. It's like they're trying to get like the XPRIZE to help us go further than we ever thought possible in the shortest amount of time, and that's what you'll get to experience in that space.
It's so cool.
Sean Martin: So Marco was gonna get on the train first. I think he sit in the [00:14:00] front.
Marco Ciappelli: I'm, I'm going too awkward like I.
Sean Martin: Well, I mean the. And we were kind of joking offline that they, I think they're coming out with email as well. Uh, while we're there. They're gonna announce that. But, uh,
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: gonna announce it.
Sean Martin: so, so what else is in the, the YBCA space more than just arpa? Is that right?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Yes. So actually, if you've ever been to conference before and you've gone to our sandbox, that's where we're locating it. It's going to be on the bottom floor. We're including an adjacent room where we're having CTFs running the entire week. So you can come check those out. They'll all be on the count on the, um, track sessions, Marco.
You and your tracks upstairs we have, uh, the Idaho National Labs is doing an escape room, and additionally we have a screening room where we're gonna have, um, really a little bit more technical talks in general, but a very cool experience for those that wanna go up there. I know we've also bringing in use Nick's, um, distinguished papers, so that will also be in that area.
[00:15:00] And just as a reminder, it's adjacent and connected to the YBCA theater, which is where we're having our second keynote stage. So all of those pieces are together, they're. Um, it meshed and hopefully everybody gets to enjoy it. Additionally, we have a really cool coffee bar in there and some hangout zones, some chairs, so.
Marco Ciappelli: I wanna stay there. So because, you know, uh, always about the community and the networking, I know that there are dedicated area for the people that have been there like us way more than one time, the loyalty plus group. But there's also attention to all the one that comes for the first time. And I think that that's something super important because honestly, it may sound a little overwhelming, especially the more it expand and like, oh my God, I can't do many things at the same times.
How do I, how do I plan and, and how do I interact with other people? Networking? And I know that you're really good at [00:16:00] creating this different space, but let's give some tips to people that come there for the first time.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: You know, that is actually really thoughtful, Marco. Um, what I'll say is, uh, in what we've built inside the sandbox, which I didn't actually get into, the villages that are in there. So if any of you are familiar with Defcon and the villages, that's what's gonna be in the sandbox area. If you keep walking through the room where we have those sandboxes and there are eight of them, and they include AppSec and adversary and ICS and IOT, and all the others that you can find online.
Very cool. I mean, honestly, this is part, and you talk about community, there are usually around 80 volunteers that help run that whole space, and it's. Unbelievable the give back that they have in there. So definitely stop by because it's hands-on and you can have a conversation. You talked about networking.
It's a way that you can actually talk to somebody pretty easily. You know exactly what they're gonna be looking at when you walk into Cloud Sandbox, and you're like. Oh yeah, the cloud village. I get that. [00:17:00] But beyond that, if you keep walking through, there's um, this whole outside garden area that we've put some nice furniture on so you can get some peaceful areas.
There's another little space that's kind of quiet, that's peaceful next to the coffee bar. So, um, there's those like more. Like hangout spaces that are over there. But there are other places of networking inside the conference itself. I'm sure that they've talked about some of the welcome receptions, but the one that I wanna mention is cyber ops, which is now just gonna be up there in the early stage expo area.
We expanded that area, so now we have, um, 78 startups that are up there and there's two briefing centers, but there's again, a coffee bar because I'm very into coffee bars and having a coffee with everybody. But cyber optimism has non-alcoholic and alcoholic beverages, and it will have some food. So come, come by and see that on Tuesday night.
Sean Martin: You got me with the food, you got me with the coffee, but
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: I'm so glad.
Sean Martin: I have far too much coffee. Um, [00:18:00] you're gonna need a lot of coffee. Keeping all this together. What else is going on, Cecilia? What else are you
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: know. The one thing I wanna actually just mention in addition is UM, is Launchpad. Now Launchpad has three veterans VCs, one from Ballistic Ventures, which is Bar Mcta. The other is Sarah Gao Convic. She's with Conviction, but she was at Greylock before.
And then there's a Enrique Salem who's with Bain Capital Ventures. All three of these are stellar individuals. Super fun. And they were gonna run this, it's like a shark tank, the three companies that were just announced today, or whenever you play this, it's announced on Friday, um, blue 41 Run Sybil and the Hacking Games.
All three super interesting, very nascent companies. It's, it's gonna be fun to come watch them play. The other piece is the, um. Investor and entrepreneur track. So you know, in the sandbox I talked about all those different villages, will they have a whole track dedicated to having some more deep dives into those kind of security issues that are reflective of what you see in the sandbox.[00:19:00]
Additionally, we've created, and because we believe in this platform, we've created a whole track for the investors and entrepreneurs and it's definitely worth watching and seeing because it's talking about like, where are VCs investing tomorrow and how do you get, how do you start a company? If you're interested in this kind of, um, content, we definitely.
Marco Ciappelli: And I wanna make a point about that, that I, I've done in general, like when you go to this conference, you're really looking into the future more and more. It's, it is not about, maybe, you know, years ago it was like, oh, this is happening, this is what was going on. This is what we need to take care. Now it's more like, this is what we're gonna have to look into five years from now, 10 years from now, even two years from now.
Technology goes so fast and the fact that the villages are there, you have some mission. You when even when you were listing the, the, the, the competitors. Different angles Is is not all [00:20:00] like technology company. It is any company that uses technology and we live with that. The darpa, the DARPA city is the perfect example of that is to show.
Yeah, you know what? You don't know, but you are actually interacting with cybersecurity right now, in any moment when you drive around smart cities. So I, I just love this overview that you guys are having and bring it to, to everybody. I, I wish normal people, like by normal, I mean not non cybersecurity, the everyday people would get a little bit more to experience what we do at RSA conference because it's really important.
So that, that was my yay fan.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: I feel it. I feel the love.
Sean Martin: Well, we, you know, we're fans, you know, we're fans. And, um, I guess to to that point, do you have, do you have any insights into, [00:21:00] kind of, has the, the, the. The types of attendees shifted 'cause you're talking about people who wanna start companies and, um, where, I don't know, maybe in the past it was primarily practitioners and, and, uh, and security leaders that, that were mainly interested in, in what was going on.
Do you have any insight into who, who comes to the sandbox and participates?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: So, um, as you know, RSAC is really trying to broaden the, the lens and to offer an opportunity for anybody to actually take a look at what's happening in cybersecurity and whether you are. A penetration tester, or you are the CSO of a company, there is something there for you. And this is why we built out these different areas, and we wanna engage with people in them because we wanna make sure that somebody finds their space and they can be comfortable in it.
It's important that the dialogue is inter. Interchangeable between the different facets of our, our, um, community. If you think about cybersecurity community, just like even in the last 10 years since I started [00:22:00] talking to you guys, how much it has changed, how much, how broad, how much broader it is as to who actually should come.
I and I, I don't I when I don't wanna sound like a. Salesperson, but good Lord, we're like, you know, you have not just the policy people or the legal people, I mean everybody, every facet of your life is connected to something that can actually benefit from learning how to be more safe by coming here. So I love the fact that you're calling it out.
I think it's great. And I think that we're trying to build those kind of opportunities to make cybersecurity a little bit more, uh, accessible to everybody. And whatever level you're at, um, have a little something for everybody.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, I still, I still get those things. Just one happened, one the other day, I think I told Sean and I went for some audiology test, and this guy's a young guy, it's sharp, it's, it's a technician, and I said, you know, what do you do? I'm like, yeah, we do cybersecurity podcast. It's like, oh, cybersecurity. He was kind of like, oh my God.
He's like, I use a [00:23:00] VPN. Is that, is that enough? I'm like. It's a good start, but you know, as a personal level, I mean, but it's still out there. Like it's this mysterious thing and I think we need to do that job of really making it understandable for everybody because. It's not just the cybersecurity community, but it's the, the community in, within the society that we can do a lot.
And, and I know that there are some talks and sessions this year that are about that, like bringing our knowledge to friends and family and, and, and other people that are not necessarily experts and they don't need to be, so they
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: They just have to be safe.
Marco Ciappelli: exactly.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: we all have to play our part in making sure that whole society is safe.
Marco Ciappelli: Exactly.
Sean Martin: Yeah, there's that whole, uh, track series. There's tracks again, track series of, of. Speaking to the, the common, the common good of folks. Right. I think, uh, Chris is part of that. Chris Pearson. Um, so a [00:24:00] anything else Cecilia, that you wanna highlight that we didn't touch on yet? I mean, the, the whole sandbox thing is probably my favorite.
'cause you get to interact, right? Like the ICS Village has stuff that is industrial control,
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: in itself that you can play with. You could break. Yeah. Go check out and you can pick windmill. Um, yeah, I, I, um, so if you're asking me about the rest of conference, I. You know, the whole conference itself this year is so broad. I, um, I, and I think the part that is most important for me to, I guess, tell everybody is don't worry if you didn't catch it at conference, it's online and we've worked really hard to build that bridge so you can see everything you need to see.
So there are like. 600 speakers, there are 600 vendors. It's, you know, take your time, walk through it, make a plan. Like that's the only other thing I can tell you is you get out of it, what you put into it. Um, I'd often tell [00:25:00] that to my security scholars, I'm like, you guys, as we're like looking at what you're seeing and who you're gonna meet at the different dinners and different activities, it's if you prepare and you show up with a little bit of a game plan, you'll get a lot more out of it.
So that's my advice. How's
Marco Ciappelli: I, I, I think it's a great advice. Don't be like Marco and Sean. That's my other advice. 'cause besides the, the, all the, the conversation we have already scheduled there is more like, Hey, we got alpha an hour, where are we gonna go?
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Right. But at the same time, there is serendipitous meetings. I mean,
Marco Ciappelli: know, but you know, like I said, you know, we, we, we feel home when we go there.
I mean, and, and I'm very, very excited this year even more than any other time. And I feel like I am going in a place where I know everybody. I know a lot of people and I'm excited to meet the new one, but, but I do feel the, I remember the pressure of the first couple of times. It, it could feel overwhelming.
So don't, don't feel like that. But I agree with you. Make some plans and just [00:26:00] ask. I think anybody there, including ourself, you know, if you have a question and we're happy to help and I think everybody in the in the community is helping to help. So
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Yeah, that's the best part about our community. Everybody wants to give back.
Marco Ciappelli: it is.
Sean Martin: Yeah. It is like coming home, Marco. I do, I do feel that, yeah,
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. So Sean, uh, we're ready to drive.
Sean Martin: I'm, I've been ready, ready to roll for a long time.
Marco Ciappelli: I know, and we are already rolling. So I, I'm gonna invite everybody to stay tuned with on Location with Sean and Martin and Marco Elli. This is about, of course, RSAC 2025 San Francisco, April 28th. My first, and, uh, I'll be there. guys will be there.
Sean Martin: I'll be there. So excited to see you, uh, there, Cecilia and the rest of the team and, uh, the whole community coming together. Thanks for, uh, thanks for all that you do with, uh, all this innovation driven work that [00:27:00] you've pulled together and the, and the teams and the companies that, uh, have the cool stuff to share this year.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: Well, thank you guys for what you do because. It's the consistency of, um, getting out in front of this audience and helping them understand how they belong. That you guys do that I, I really appreciate. So, see, feel the love people come, feel the love,
Marco Ciappelli: Come on. Let's go get on the train. Come on.
Cecilia Murtagh Marinier: train. Woo.
Marco Ciappelli: leaving the, let's do it. All right. Thank you everybody. I.
Sean Martin: Thank you.