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Episode Introduction
Hey there, podcast enthusiasts! Welcome back to another captivating episode of "Redefining Society" with yours truly, Marco Ciappelli. Today, we're diving headfirst into the fascinating world where healthcare, artificial intelligence (AI), and the future converge.
Exploring a Vision of Augmented Humanity
Our guest, Emmanuel Moyrand, is a true visionary in this realm. With a background that spans from art to cutting-edge technology and blockchain, Moyrand offers us a unique perspective on how these diverse fields can intertwine to shape our future.
The Impact of AI in Healthcare
Join us as we unpack the game-changing role AI plays in healthcare. Moyrand walks us through its potential to revolutionize patient care, from predictive diagnostics to personalized treatment plans, painting a vivid picture of a future where healthcare is not just reactive but proactive.
Privacy, Ethics, and the Future of Healthcare
But hold on, folks! It's not all sunshine and rainbows. Moyrand and I tackle the tough questions surrounding privacy and ethics in AI-driven healthcare. How do we ensure data security? How do we maintain transparency and trust? Moyrand's insights are sure to spark some thought-provoking conversations.
Augmenting Human Capabilities and Empowering Health
Let's not forget about the human touch. Moyrand shares heartwarming stories of how AI is empowering individuals to take control of their health journey, from assisting the elderly to enhancing accessibility for all. It's a reminder that, at its core, technology should serve humanity.
Embracing Innovation in Art and Technology
And last but not least, we explore the intersection of art, technology, and AI. Moyrand reveals how creatives are harnessing AI as a tool for innovation, blurring the lines between man and machine in the most creative of ways.
In closing, our conversation with Emmanuel Moyrand offers a glimpse into a future where healthcare is not just about treating illnesses but enhancing lives. It's a future where ethics, innovation, and humanity intertwine to create a brighter tomorrow.
So, buckle up, folks! It's going to be an enlightening ride. And remember, the future is what we make of it, so let's make it a good one.
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Resources
Intelligence Artificielle et Santé: Naviguer vers une humanité augmentée (French Edition): https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-Artificielle-Sant%C3%A9-Naviguer-augment%C3%A9e/dp/B0CQK7YCKX
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The Intersection of Healthcare, Artificial Intelligence, and the Future | A Conversation with Emmanuel Moyrand | Redefining Society with Marco Ciappelli
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Marco Ciappelli: [00:00:00] Hello, everybody. This is Marco Ciappelli with Redefining Society podcast here on ITSP Magazine. It has been a pretty busy month, January, and by the time that you listen or see this, it may already be actually February, but January has been a busy month. Because the big event that everybody know at this point, we did cover remotely, but we did have a lot of conversation with people that participated at the CES event in Las Vegas, which is, as I often say lately, is the place where you foresee the future is the place where Society and technology connect and our humanity.
So this is not necessarily part of the coverage, but our guest today was a CS. He was speaking there and we connected over a book that he wrote which is about healthcare [00:01:00] and artificial intelligence and his vision of an augmented humanity, let's say. And so, as you know, I like to talk about philosophy of technology and I think this is a perfect conversation.
So all the way from Paris, we have Emmanuel Morian with us. Welcome to the show, Emmanuel. Hi, Michael. Nice to meet you. Oh, I'm so happy to have you here and I have so many questions for you. But the first one is is I will ask you to introduce yourself to the audience so they know who you are and where it comes your interest and knowledge of artificial intelligence technology and healthcare.
Emmanuel Moyrand: Okay, um, I have a long career very different from technology at the beginning because I was a loss adjuster for diamonds and fine arts at the beginning and I went to technology just by the because some friends offers me bitcoins and I say, what is this kind of [00:02:00] token? I don't know anything about it. And I just try to do some, what was blockchain at the end was 10 years ago.
And, um, I create two startups about blockchain and art, you know, come to technology. And so it makes me like a passion about WebFlower, Web3, Metaverse, NFT, blockchain, and AI. I create a company that is, um, his aim is to teach people about blockchain. What is Metaverse? What is EI? How it works? What is useful for people tomorrow and maybe in the future?
And it makes me happy to, uh, to exchange, to, to make contact, to, to appear to understand what is CHAT GPT. And at the moment, I'm doing lessons for people to use CHAT GPT every day. And When you teach some people, when you make conference, you want to write something, okay? You want to transmit what you understand, what you learn, etc.
And I write a first book about AI [00:03:00] and ethics on September, and on December I decide to write a book about AI and health, because my wife is a doctor, okay? And I have lots of friends that Don't understand what AI can do for health. And due to my, um, habits to, to work on AI, I saw lots of examples and I want to traduce for every people what AI and health are in common.
Okay. It's, it's not a book for doctors. It's a book for everyone who wants to understand what else can do for them. And, uh, which is very interesting. You have lots of, um, people who don't understand anything about AI that won't read the books because health. You say Marco is the future of humanity.
Marco Ciappelli: Absolutely. And I love your background because, you know, even myself, I talk about technology all the time, but I'm certainly not a technologist by education, I'm not an engineer or a. [00:04:00] Or a computer scientist. I'm actually come from political science, so that's nothing to do really with that.
But I got, like you, interested in technology. First was, you know, social media, the Internet, developing websites for advertising, and I got more and more into the cyber security of things. So I like the idea that you also. I'm not a technical person because it makes it easier, I think, to explain to the everyday user and the everyday person that goes around with their, uh, smart phones, smart homes, smart cars, smart everything and wearable to, to get close to, to the healthcare and that oftentimes they, they say, well, it's too complicated for me to understand.
So I like the idea that you're making it accessible and how do you how do you do this? What kind of example do you use in your in your book to to make it [00:05:00] understandable? The fact
Emmanuel Moyrand: is we need to understand that at the moment we have begin the battle of the body because we are at the end of the smartphone era and we begin We enter this new era where the body, uh, will be the place, uh, AI is working.
It means you can have smart glasses, smart belts, smart shoes, smart everything, but all these smart IoT will be in your body or on your body, and it can give you information of your health. Avoid big diseases. Okay. And this point is very important for me is to make people understand they will not have smartphone in the future.
They will have something on their body to, to make them better. I don't know how to explain, but it's my, uh, my connection.
Marco Ciappelli: So that could be a little bit scary for a lot of people. Very, [00:06:00] very sci fi, maybe a little dystopian because we can start talking about privacy, about identity, and about a lot of things that may make people very worried.
I mean, we're already worried when we have a phone that has a GPS on it, a watch that has a GPS on it. They always know, um, if you Where you are, but there is the good and the bad, right? There is the, the things that are positive about this for your safety, for your health, for many things. And then of course we have to deal with the ethics of maybe privacy.
So how, how do you think people react to this? I mean, I, you're definitely excited about it. I can tell , but what about the everyday average person?
Emmanuel Moyrand: Fact is, in France, we have a problem with hospitals, because hospitals are closing. There are not enough hospitals for people. It means they need to take two hours of cars to go to a hospital.
Okay, so [00:07:00] it's a medical desert, France. You do that, if you need to have a doctor, you need to wait two months to have a doctor. And the future of health is, you can have a doctor in your house. You can, uh, have all your, um, your survey by yourself, and if you need a doctor, you can say, go to the doctor now, and you have time to go because it's quicker, it's, it's a, um, on a period, you don't have big problems, you know?
Uh, this is the first point, the, the TZ Health, TZ Medicals, and it means You need to have your doctor in your house because you can't go to the hospital because it's too far away, because there's not enough people to, to, to receive you into the hospitals. Um, second thing, if you think about Web3. 'cause we, we speak about ai, but it's Web3 on the, on the top.
All the data will be relation in blockchain. Okay? With NFT, [00:08:00] it means you are the owner of your data, means it's your medical data, you create it with your, uh, iot. But if you want to open data to a doctor, you can, but if you don't want you, you, you say it. Pre prevails means to, um, if people are frightened by the way of all the data are mismeasured.
Every time, they can keep it secret if they don't want. They have a choice to open the data or not. And we have a big startup in France. Sorry for that. It's Galleon. And this startup was in the CES and they won a lot of prize about it. They put all those pure data in blockchain, uh, to open it. Avoid the, the store of data by, uh, pirates, okay, or, or, um, hackers, and it's working.
And now they protect the data of hospitals, and they will protect the data of private people by blockchain and AI. It's very important to understand that EIA is [00:09:00] not alone. EIA, as with blockchain, is a solution to protect the privacy of everyone, of you and me.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, it makes definitely sense to me. I had a few other conversations about the convergence of the blockchain and the way that it could be.
Use to to have a better use of AI. So definitely I agree with that. How do you think? And and here we can go in a little bit of maybe different culture because again when it comes to privacy Europe GDPR we think in a certain way Uh, I say we because i'm also european but It doesn't apply to me when I'm not in Europe.
So it's not about being European. It's about where you are and how in the United States is left a little bit more to the market, how it reacts. So how do you perceive these? The blockchain [00:10:00] to and in the AI for healthcare to work in a way that what you describe that you own your own data can apply. It doesn't matter where you are in the world and your privacy will be respected.
Is it intrinsic in the blockchain concept that works everywhere or certain legal, um, and regulation are going to be different? Okay,
Emmanuel Moyrand: two points. You have GDPR in Europe, but now in California, they make a law about that. They just use GDPR to protect the data. It means it's not only in France or in Italy. I think, um, Rokshan is for everyone in the world.
It works everywhere. It works in China. It works in US, it works in France. And due to the fact that. People are very frightened by the way their personal health data will be used by other [00:11:00] people. I think this blockchain concept to use ER and blockchain at the same time, I think it will be worldwide. It's my opinion, but I think it's not, it's not only for Europe.
Marco Ciappelli: And how about the medical The medical field that your wife is a doctor, you said. And, uh, what? How is technology received by the professional, the medical professional? Is it welcome? Is it already widely used? Um, and what you described, do you think is going to be adopted very easily because it's needed, as you were describing about hospital being overwhelmed and, and it can resolve a lot of problem?
Or do you think there's going to be some resistance? I think, you know,
Emmanuel Moyrand: we have a problem in France, maybe the same in the U. S. or in Italy. Hospitals are hacked by hackers and their data are [00:12:00] stolen. There was 10 or 15 hospitals in France last year that were hacked by people. And it's a very big problem in France.
And this French startup I mentioned earlier on, they succeeded in protecting two hospitals that were attacked by hackers last year. It means it's a big problem for hospitals to be protected. And this blockchain solution is not the only one. You have a lot of startups in the world that are doing that.
Help hospitals to be protected. You know, this is a very important thing. Even if doctors are not very open minded about blockchain because it's not the way of doing things, the hospitals Is obliged to protect the data and if that blockchain will be adopted by hospitals and doctors will be convinced by hospital because they're obliged to be inside an ecosystem.
Marco Ciappelli: So that makes [00:13:00] sense for the blockchain. Now, let's talk. Give me some example if you can about the way that AI is already used in the medical field and maybe your vision to what is going to be the next steps. Thanks. on a larger adoption and maybe even more way that AI will be used in the in the medical
Emmanuel Moyrand: field.
There were lots of examples, but for silver economy, for all people, you have a lot of tools. Uh, driven by AI that can help them to stay at home. It means AI will be a, um, a big issue for them because when a whole people fall down, he can die, he can stay 10 hours without someone knows that he's a down with a small plugs.
With AI, it can prevent, uh, not prevent, it can make a call automatically to a family or a [00:14:00] doctor that someone has fallen down, you know. And this is small, how it is things connected Wi Fi that can help, uh, hold people to stay at home. And you have lots of applications about that. You have, um, Glass, I know the name of the startups, that allow People who can't see or have problems to see, to read computers, to read books and it's translated with AI on the language, you know?
Um, to, uh, people that can't hear things. You have special glasses with AI that can, uh, up the volume of the people which is in front of them when they speak. There's a lot of applications that can help save the economy, and it's very important that it's a solution for the planet because you have a lot of old people and they are prone to live alone.
In an autonomous way and EI with IoT tools can help them to to recover their [00:15:00] independence. Okay. After EI can help people that have this, you know, this IoT things on their body to measure what is
As an issue to go to hospitals or not, you know, as a can measure is it something if it's good or bad for them, you know, the most application of a customer journey, you know, and you can help people to be more healthy to. Uh, to eat good things, you know, you know what CHAT GPT can do when you take photos on a fridge and CHAT GPT can say, oh, with all these 10 things in your fridge, you can make this recipe.
So it is done and your robots can do the recipe for you. You know, it's just a chain, not a blockchain, but a chain of things that can help people to live. And we saw in Las Vegas, a lot of small startups that. If you connect this startup together, you have a solution for people.
Marco Ciappelli: I love you when there because you're, you're connecting things.
And I was having a conversation [00:16:00] that I just published not too long ago about tech for good. She's from the Netherlands, and she wrote this book. And she talks about the, the fourth industrial revolution, pretty much. Where everything comes together. It's not just the technology that, that evolved, but it's the, entire ecosystem that start working one with another.
And I think that what you're describing here, what you saw in Las Vegas, is exactly this. You're, there is the piece that is for making a healthy food. There is the piece for preventing bad things to happen in the health department. But also if things do happen, there's better care, maybe in the hospital.
So it's an entire ecosystem that. That can work together. Am I correct?
Emmanuel Moyrand: It's correct. And you know, two examples that's in my mind now, it's Netherlands startups. If you have a problem with, with medics, you know, in a [00:17:00] pharmacy, uh, they, they built a machine which can print on a 3d the medics on demand. Okay.
It's not, you need to buy 10, 10, uh, 10 bucks. You just print one medics in one seconds. It's astonishing. And the second thing is you have a French startup of the CA that creates a. A small implant you can put here inside your brain. And if the people can't walk with these small things, they succeed that people is walking now.
They rebuilt the body of the people. This is just crazy. Two years ago, it wasn't possible. And now you can make people like Lazar, you know, resurrection, this guy can walk. And, you know, Elon Musk say, he will do it. That a small startup in a small country are succeeding in front, which is crazy, you know, just, just two years ago, it was impossible.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah, the, the one [00:18:00] year, two years, I mean, one year just now of generative AI that has become commercially available with CHAT GPT. It's already making a lot of difference. It created a lot of fears, you know, losing work, losing jobs. People are, don't want kids to cheat in school. They don't want to use it, but I think they need to, they need to use it.
They just need to teach how to use it ethically. So, because this train has left the station, it's not going to come back. We are going to leave with this, right?
Emmanuel Moyrand: I speak with the TGV, it's a French train. And TGV. Because, you know, for medics, AI can create new medics that can save people. It's like the glass is all the time in the middle.
And if you are optimistic, you say the glass is good. And, um, Macintyre says 100 millions of jobs will be created by AI in 2 years. [00:19:00] Okay, it will destroy some jobs, but it will, um, I compare AI numeric exoskeleton that can help people to live better. And for health, it's, you know, Just astonishing that things can be done quickly, although people will die from disease now, it will prevent the disease, you know, this is the way it will be done.
Marco Ciappelli: Yeah. And it's already applied to research, uh, for, for medical, which has been used for, for a long time and scanning, uh, results from again, imagery, uh, that can do in, in, uh, Few seconds and minutes. That's something that to the human body, uh, mind and, and eyes would take a very long time and we know how accurate AI it is.
when it comes to the vision or the translation, the, the, the, the research and development and all that kind of stuff. I [00:20:00] think it's, it's really facilitating, uh, the diagnosis of diseases as well. So we, we already have those example. I think what, what is really interesting, I want to, I want to stay a little longer there, the augmenting of the body.
That's that was people start thinking about Mad Max and a very futuristic movie where they can think about robotics and hybrids, human robots, which I know it may be scary. I know it may be a little sci fi. But ultimately, if you can already, you can see it helping people to walk again, helping people to have hands when they have lost their hands and rebuild the control of it.
I mean, I see every day something new that happens and I think he's exciting. I think it's, it's marvelous for, for humanity. [00:21:00] Um, but I don't know.
Emmanuel Moyrand: Just two examples. Crazy about robotics. I'm, I met a company that the robots that is able to detect, uh, Ebola on, on the airport with UI. It's, it's, it's amazing.
It's fine a case of Ebola on the airport because the robots was a program for that. Wow. Second example, the robots of Tesla that can make your, uh, your, your washing machine. It was crazy this example. And this is in your house in two days, in two years. Okay. In two years, it will be in your house. They rent the robots for you.
We'll
Marco Ciappelli: see. We'll see if, uh, Elon is going to, is going to keep that, that date. That's it. But definitely going in that direction for sure. So tell me is that something I mean you already mentioned a few things but something that CES that [00:22:00] really Really excites you over on top of the things that you already told me but also something that maybe made you a little uncomfortable or scare you a little bit and Maybe like I don't know if we need to If we should go in that direction, have you had that feeling when you were going there?
Emmanuel Moyrand: Smart homes, because, uh, Samsung or TCL, they have done, um, complete autonomous smart homes. You can, you are in a house and everything is connected. You can't escape from being connected, and in my house, sometimes, I prefer to be disconnected. These companies, they have done everything for you to be connected 24 7.
It works very, very well, and it's a little scary for me, you know, it's my point. But it is, uh, you will have a Tesla, [00:23:00] a Tesla phone, and a Tesla house. This is the ecosystem.
Marco Ciappelli: Or, or, or an Apple one, depending on who you want and one come from the car and the other one from the phone and computer and but they all want to have everything they all want to create your own ecosystem.
And I think maybe one day we'll have to choose. Am I going to be a Tesla person or am I going to? Who am I going to trust? Which is really going to come down to that? Who am I going to trust with my privacy with my home? Microsoft And with my health, maybe even even with that. Well, it's really, really interesting.
And I have a question for you as we finish, because I was interested at the beginning when you said that your background is in art, and then you started playing with the NFT, the blockchain, the Bitcoin. Maybe we'll have another episode about this. I'm very interested in [00:24:00] Bitcoin. the generative use of AI in art, every form of art, to be honest, in writing music and writing books, but in particular in creating arts.
Is it changing the world of art with generative AI and the value that we attribute to, to artistic Uh, jobs from, from a commercial perspective, from a copyright perspective. I mean, is it something that you see as a positive thing or a negative thing?
Emmanuel Moyrand: Okay, you have different kind of artists, but I know lots of artists in Europe and Most of them, uh, use the eye to, to help them to create.
Okay. Uh, they use that as a, as a tool or an exoskeleton. And, um, the fact is the art market is very conservative, [00:25:00] but the artists are not conservative. They want to play with that. And I have lots of examples of people that they are doing the work of art and they're contouring with the eye. If it's perfect, or if they can enhance the work of art and, um, You know, I'm not sure that the market, uh, is so conservative about that.
AI is a tool, AI is an exoskeleton for me. It won't replace the artist. Because the creative, the genius is human, and AI can help the genius to be more and more creative. The artists, when I speak with, they are convinced by the fact AI is a tool. Only a tool.
Marco Ciappelli: And that's beautiful to hear it because I, I disagree with the people that just decide to refuse it without even trying it.
So to know that, and what you said about the artist being by nature [00:26:00] inventive and always looking for the next unique thing to improve and be challenged with. I really, I really love that. Um, I don't think there will be progress without people like. Artists and inventors and scientists that they want to just break the rules and see if we can do Something better.
So Ai as a tool is definitely the way to to look at it So emmanuel, I want to thank you for the time that you had with me. It's true and uh, I I had to hold myself from asking you right away about art because i'm really interested in that So maybe maybe we'll we'll come back and uh, yeah, and we talk a little bit more about about that Yeah, but so as far as we're going here, um, I hope I can see you, uh, Aviva Tech in Paris this coming summer, which is the CS of Europe, I guess, [00:27:00] and that will be fantastic.
And, uh, in the meantime, uh, I will have all the links. for people to get in touch with you, your LinkedIn and your book, which I know for the moment is only in French, but it will be in English, translated soon and get connected with you. And, um, for everybody else that are enjoying this kind of conversation, stay also tuned for many more episodes, subscribe.
And, uh, And, uh, we'll talk again very soon, hopefully, Manuel, and with everybody, stay tuned and listen to many more nice conversation about society and technology. Thank you very much. Manuel. very
Emmanuel Moyrand: much. Michael.